The Jewish Book News Interview

By Rachel Baumann (The Jewish Book News)

Reeve Robert Brenner

The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors

JBN: Were you surprised by the result of your research?

Brenner: I think there is merit in referring to the “results” of my study rather than the “result,” in the singular. Survivors took the questionnaire, that is to say the instrument, very seriously. And the format presented pages of deeply penetrating and perhaps often troubling questions: Questions of the ultimate, religious questions and the kind of questions that nag at you in the middle of the night along with some unspeakable memories. Fortunately, they became speakable in time and I was personally fortunate to have spent quality time with a great number of them. Many, of course, are now gone.

 

The questions elicited many reactions and a rich variety of important results. One reviewer wrote of the remarkable wealth of the material in my book. What he really meant was what a richly gifted community these special people represented.

  • Was the Holocaust God’s will?
  • Was there any meaning or purpose in the Holocaust ?
  • Was Israel worth the price six million had to pay?
  • Did the experience in the death camps bring about an avowal of faith? A denial of God? A reaffirmation of religious belief?
  • Did the Holocaust change beliefs about the coming of the Messiah, the Torah, the Jews as the chosen people, and the nature of God?
  • How do people change? What does it take to bring about religious change? Did the concentration camp experience bring it about? To what extent? Why? When? How?
  • And above all, “tell me your story.”

I knew that the Jews of Europe were and are an enormously gifted population. But I was nevertheless most surprised – often blown away – as were several reviewers in their evaluation of the material of The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors – by the great intellectuality and passionate intensity of the survivors who people this book who help us understand the results. I’d suggest the results, as I wrote in my new postscript on Objective Knowledge and What is Judaism, are that what they do and believe as Jews is Judaism.

Some statistical results fail to surprise me such as Jews are as likely to turn away from God and faith as toward God and faith in extremes. The reasons behind these changes continue to surprise me. I was also surprised by the staying power of religious faith and commitment and how powerfully important is upbringing in determining religious steadfastness change. I was surprised most by the strength of character, defiant pride, and determination of Jews to be Jews, which survivors exhibited in their extraordinary lives. The testimonies narrated from their own lives are riveting. They have thought so much and have seen so much.

JBN: Can you make any generalization from your research: Did Holocaust survivors generally retain their faith, lose it, or something else?

Brenner: Some generalizations may be made, but the insights behind and in support of the generalizations are far more moving – as Eugene Borowitz observed in his Shma review. Some generalizations, examples and results are: that people who were believers before the Holocaust generally found that the concentration camp experience and their survival confirmed their beliefs while skeptics found that the Holocaust confirmed their skepticism. Jews do not believe that evil is a necessary path to good. There aren’t many Jews who believe in resurrection and that the reciprocation of the land of Israel for the six million was too great a price. The six million were not punished by God for their sins or the sins of others but upon their death were elevated to a status beyond victimhood called holy and pure. They were victims of German Nazi tyranny and not of God’s wrath.

JBN: How has your study been criticized? If you had to do it over again, what would you change?

Brenner: When speaking to survivors, one would wish to ask numerous questions on scores of subjects, to identify which subjects are forbidden and when one is going too far, where we should tread lightly or not at all.

I asked the questions listed previously and a great many others on God, Torah, Chosenness, Messiah, Land, Evil, and The Meaning of Life.

I wish I would have been able to ask some other questions that would have gone far afield but not so very far afield after all, from my religious agenda and questions of the ultimate. These inquiries come to mind as I wrote in my introduction: How did you put the horrors out of mind? How did you reestablish your life? How do you relate to your children and how do you see yourself as different from other parents? What books do you read? Can you read books about yourself and what happened to you and others?

But every question opens slightly wider an entrance way to a soul.

With the reprinting of The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors by Jason Aronson, Inc., I did have a chance to do it over again. I was able to clarify certain categorizations and definitions. I was also able to add an essay, On Objective Knowledge and What is Judaism. With this essay I have attempted to address the question of how to determine what is and isn’t Judaism today and in prior generations and centuries. It was important too for me to deal with the value of the survey as an instrument in making this determination – its shortcomings and its worth. I was motivated by the question critics ask: Of what value is a survey, however scientifically conducted, in determining what is and what is not Judaism and whether or not survivors offer a snapshot of what is Judaism for a community.

JBN: Some people take the position that the Holocaust was a singular and unique event while others disagree. What is your view?

Brenner: The Holocaust is the name for a singular genocide, the Shoah, the destruction of European Jewry. Every genocide is unique. And there have been many – far too many genocides in our century. Genocides are ongoing in a lifetime of a people. There’s never closure and genocides are never quite over. They are simultaneously history and contemporary. I deliberately began my book with the observation that, “the Holocaust is a midnight caller who never takes leave.”

JBN: We can understand if people lose faith during the Holocaust. Can you share any perceptions you have about the people who might have gained faith during this terrible era?

Brenner: David Kranzler reviewing the book has written, “One is amazed not at the fact that almost a little over half of the responders maintained that the Holocaust experience has changed the intensity of their faith and that two-thirds of that group found that it lost or reduced its faith. Rather, what is amazing is the fact that almost one-third of those affected, deepened rather than lessened their faith. One marvels at the invincibility of the Jewish spirit which even at Auschwitz had such difficulty in dislodging.”

JBN: How would you describe this book to someone who has no familiarity with it?

Brenner: The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors is a study of the impact of the Holocaust on the faith, doubt, beliefs, practices, values, and ideas of concentration camp survivors. The study traces their beliefs and disbeliefs and behavior through four different periods of their lives: before, during and after the Holocaust and today; and their stirring and profoundly moving stories.

Reeve Robert Brenner graduated from the City University of New York and was ordained from the Hebrew Union College – Jewish Institute of Religion. He is the Rabbi of Bet Chesed Congregation of Bethesda and has taught in universities including as the first rabbi of St. Vincent’s College and Seminary, Latrobe, Pennsylvania. He served as a United States Army Chaplain in West Germany, and has lectured extensively. Rabbi Brenner is the inventor of the new sport, Bankshot Basketball. Reeve Brenner’s articles, poetry, and fiction have appeared in numerous journals and periodicals, and his American Jewry and the Rise of Nazism received a YIVO Jewish Scholarship Prize. The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors was a National Jewish Book Award finalist. He has also published books of humor and has recently completed a scholarly work on Jerusalem poetry, Eternal Jerusalem: Poetry. For an autographed copy of The Faith and Doubt of Holocaust Survivors, please contact Rabbi Brenner directly at 301-762-4241.



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